If you want (and you are mechuyuv to do so) to understand who the average gay advocate looks at the world at your religious right to practice religion you need to read this.
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Christopher Li-Reid
you want more reasons why it's forbidden learn the beginning of mesechtas avodah zarah
I'm refusing to help a same sex "Wedding" because it's forbidden according to Jewish law.
If a gay person comes in to buy a birthday cake I would sell it.
if a gay person would come in to buy a wedding cake for a real wedding I would sell it
if a normal person would buy a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding" I would refuse it even if they would fine, arrest me, torture me, or murder me for refusing to do so.
There is no difference between gays forcing jews to sell the cake for a same sex "Wedding" and the Spanish Inquisition forcing jews to go to church.
so how exactly are you different from the Soviets who murdered Jews for following Judaism
Yesterday 9:29 AM
It
has nothing to do with acceptance of homosexuality and everything to do
with its against the law to refuse service to people on superficial
grounds when you're running a business ...
Robert Adler
Yesterday 3:52 PM
Don't give me any garbage
My religion forbids baking a cake for a same sex "wedding"
The first amendment protects me from the government forcing me to violate my religion.
There is essentially no difference between gays forcing someone to violate Judaism by baking a cake for a same sex "wedding" or Soviets forcing someone to violate Judaism by working on Sabbath.
If "sensitivity training classes don't work are you going to send us to gulags to just like your ideological ancestors?
My religion forbids baking a cake for a same sex "wedding"
The first amendment protects me from the government forcing me to violate my religion.
There is essentially no difference between gays forcing someone to violate Judaism by baking a cake for a same sex "wedding" or Soviets forcing someone to violate Judaism by working on Sabbath.
If "sensitivity training classes don't work are you going to send us to gulags to just like your ideological ancestors?
Christopher Li-Reid
Yesterday 4:03 PM
+Robert Adler no it doesn't forbid you .. Lol where exactly does it say you're forbidden??? this is one of the ways liberals can still be in favor of the first amendment while forcing people to violate their religion because liberals (many of who are atheistic) think they are the true arbitrators of what your religion says and doesn't say.
No the first amendment means the government can't force you to be a particular religion... Nor can you be discriminated against for following a religion.
Gays don't force Jewish people to bake a cake... And nor would a Jewish person care - money talks.
You sure love to make up stupid scenarios because apparently you don't understand how the laws work lol.
Sensitivity training is also given to business owners who discriminate against blacks and other minorities. Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time.
Oh and over 500,000 gays were put into nazi concentration camps where over 150,000 were killed in brutal experiments... So making jokes about gays and gastapo ...so yeah smarten the fuck up.
No the first amendment means the government can't force you to be a particular religion... Nor can you be discriminated against for following a religion.
Gays don't force Jewish people to bake a cake... And nor would a Jewish person care - money talks.
You sure love to make up stupid scenarios because apparently you don't understand how the laws work lol.
Sensitivity training is also given to business owners who discriminate against blacks and other minorities. Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time.
Oh and over 500,000 gays were put into nazi concentration camps where over 150,000 were killed in brutal experiments... So making jokes about gays and gastapo ...so yeah smarten the fuck up.
Robert Adler
where did you get your semicha (rabbinical ordination) that you can pasken (adjudicate Jewish law) .
Don't you think it's very presumptuous for a non Jew who probably never opened a book about Judaism (much less learn jewish law in the original language) to think they know more about Jewish law than people who study it many hours a day!
if I can't be discriminated against for following my religion, then this must also be true, I can legally open a store and refuse to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding"
But if the I can't legally open a store and refuse to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding", then I am being discriminated against for following Judaism and you are no better then every other anti-Semite who persecuted Jews for that last 3000+ years
Jewish person = money talks
SOUNDS VERY ANTISEMITIC TO ME
we have values and we have in the past given our lives for them.
you do know about the SA (Brownshirts) it was the precursor to the SS (the main perpetrators of the holocaust).
ever hear of Ernst Röhm (gay head of the SA)
how about Edmund Heines (gay deputy of the SA)
do you want to discuss gay Nazis raping Jewish male inmates
PS your numbers are way inflated
Yesterday 5:15 PM
"no it doesn't forbid you"Yes it does
where did you get your semicha (rabbinical ordination) that you can pasken (adjudicate Jewish law) .
Don't you think it's very presumptuous for a non Jew who probably never opened a book about Judaism (much less learn jewish law in the original language) to think they know more about Jewish law than people who study it many hours a day!
"where exactly does it say you're forbidden???"lo sichlel shem kadshi
"No the first amendment means the government can't force you to be a particular religion"forcing me to bake that wedding cake is the same thing as forcing me to go to church.
"Nor can you be discriminated against for following a religion."but my religion forbids me to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "marriage".
if I can't be discriminated against for following my religion, then this must also be true, I can legally open a store and refuse to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding"
But if the I can't legally open a store and refuse to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding", then I am being discriminated against for following Judaism and you are no better then every other anti-Semite who persecuted Jews for that last 3000+ years
"Gays don't force Jewish people to bake a cake..."So if a Kosher Bakery refused to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding" you will defend the kosher baker?
"And nor would a Jewish person care - money talks."are you saying
Jewish person = money talks
SOUNDS VERY ANTISEMITIC TO ME
we have values and we have in the past given our lives for them.
"Sensitivity training is also given to business owners who discriminate against blacks and other minorities. Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time."how about court mandated sensitivity training sessions to gay terrorists who insist that people violate their religions.
"Oh and over 500,000 gays were put into nazi concentration camps where over 150,000 were killed in brutal experiments..."first of all many of those gays were former Nazis, many of the leaders in the Nazi rise to power were openly gay
you do know about the SA (Brownshirts) it was the precursor to the SS (the main perpetrators of the holocaust).
ever hear of Ernst Röhm (gay head of the SA)
how about Edmund Heines (gay deputy of the SA)
do you want to discuss gay Nazis raping Jewish male inmates
PS your numbers are way inflated
"So making jokes about gays and gastapo"I never mentions the gestapo or Nazis I mentioned the Soviets but now that you mentioned it I felt obligated to correct the record
Christopher Li-Reid
+Robert Adler you still have not shown me where it says you're forbidden notice how he ignored the fact that I answered him.... BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING.
best friend is jewish - and we've been friends since we were kids. remind anyone of the I'm not a racist my best friend is black line i've had plenty of experience with them - and nothing forbids them from doing business with gay people.
thats just horseshit you made up.
your religion also says to kill people who work on sundays (or saturdays if you're a jew) i highly doubt your religious freedom allows you to kill people anymore than it allows you to refuse service to people under superficial terms.
and yes sexuality is a superficial.
there are no kosher bakeries - who will refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple... and if they did they would be facing the same repercussions. meaning that gay terrorist would purposely go to a store to force them to violate the Torah or shut down
you do understand what repercussions are right?
lmao gay terrorists... spoken by a religious terrorist. hahaha takes one to know one i guess.
LMAO they were former nazi hahahahahahahahahahahaha
omg you're just making shit up at this point.
hahaha im just going to report this whole thread as hate speech ... how to silence your opponents call their speech hate speech without dealing with the substance of the points
because google most certainly doesn't validate your religious freedoms because that only applies to government. and use force to silence opponents
oops. hahahahaha
see ya retard.
best friend is jewish - and we've been friends since we were kids. remind anyone of the I'm not a racist my best friend is black line i've had plenty of experience with them - and nothing forbids them from doing business with gay people.
thats just horseshit you made up.
your religion also says to kill people who work on sundays (or saturdays if you're a jew) i highly doubt your religious freedom allows you to kill people anymore than it allows you to refuse service to people under superficial terms.
and yes sexuality is a superficial.
there are no kosher bakeries - who will refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple... and if they did they would be facing the same repercussions. meaning that gay terrorist would purposely go to a store to force them to violate the Torah or shut down
you do understand what repercussions are right?
lmao gay terrorists... spoken by a religious terrorist. hahaha takes one to know one i guess.
LMAO they were former nazi hahahahahahahahahahahaha
omg you're just making shit up at this point.
hahaha im just going to report this whole thread as hate speech ... how to silence your opponents call their speech hate speech without dealing with the substance of the points
because google most certainly doesn't validate your religious freedoms because that only applies to government. and use force to silence opponents
oops. hahahahaha
see ya retard.
Yesterday 5:21 PM
Robert Adler
Yesterday 6:00 PM
"you still have not shown me where it says you're forbidden.... BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING. "lo sechalel shem kadshi is one source of it being forbidden.
you want more reasons why it's forbidden learn the beginning of mesechtas avodah zarah
"best friend is jewish - and we've been friends since we were kids. i've had plenty of experience with them - and nothing forbids them from doing business with gay people. "normally nothing forbids me from doing business with gay people but when the item in question is going to be used in a same sex "wedding" it is forbidden.
"your religion also says to kill people who work on sundays (or saturdays if you're a jew) i highly doubt your religious freedom allows you to kill people"my religion says that a Jewish court (of 23) which has not existed for 1,984 years should kill a jew (only a jew) who worked on Shabbos. my point being that the American legal system has no reason to fear Jews killing anyone
"anymore than it allows you to refuse service to people under superficial terms"what superficial terms?
I'm refusing to help a same sex "Wedding" because it's forbidden according to Jewish law.
"and yes sexuality is a superficial. "I'm not refusing anyone because of sexuality
If a gay person comes in to buy a birthday cake I would sell it.
if a gay person would come in to buy a wedding cake for a real wedding I would sell it
if a normal person would buy a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding" I would refuse it even if they would fine, arrest me, torture me, or murder me for refusing to do so.
"there are no kosher bakeries - who will refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple."yes there are
"and if they did they would be facing the same repercussions"and then they will show themselves to be anti Semitic pieces of trash.
There is no difference between gays forcing jews to sell the cake for a same sex "Wedding" and the Spanish Inquisition forcing jews to go to church.
"you do understand what repercussions are right?"of course I do antisemites like you have been giving people like me repercussions since the beginning of the Jewish people.
so how exactly are you different from the Soviets who murdered Jews for following Judaism
"lmao gay terrorists... spoken by a religious terrorist. hahaha takes one to know one i guess."you are trying to destroy the first amendment and terrorizing people to do so, thus you are a terrorist
"LMAO they were former nazi hahahahahahahahahahahaha"speak english
"omg you're just making shit up at this point."do you have any clue who Ernst Roehm was?
"hahaha im just going to report this whole thread as hate speech ..."proving you are a gay terrorist
"because google most certainly doesn't validate your religious freedoms because that only applies to government."what ever happened to live and let live?
Shkoyach! thank you for making a big kiddush hashem and dismantling this guys arguments pretty easily. When he sees how wrong he was he just starting cursing at you. haha.
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