Showing posts with label bayit yehudi. Show all posts
Showing posts with label bayit yehudi. Show all posts
Friday, December 27, 2013
Moshe Feiglin Also Attacks Bayit Yehudi Due To Mishkav Zachar; And His Attack Was Not Hypocritical
Deputy Knesset Chairman Moshe Feiglin (Likud) was the only nationalist MK to vote against a bill giving same-sex "couples" a tax break this week. The bill was voted for by Likud-Beytenu, and Jewish Home Chairman Naftali Bennett notice how he is the anti religious person in Bayit Yehudi. The remaining 11 Jewish Home MKs left the hall to abstain. Sheket was not there but wanted to vote for it
Only the hareidi-religious parties, Feiglin, and MK Eitan Cabel he voted against the bill because he wasn't sure the final bill would include the language explicitly mentioning mishkav zachar (the bill wasn't treiph enough) (Labor) opposed the bill, which was proposed by MK Adi Kol (Yesh Atid).
"Again it was proven that only the right is capable of expelling Jews, and only the "religious" are capable of harming the religion," Feiglin told Arutz Sheva.
"Last week it was the Jerusalem bill, before that it was the Bedouins in the Negev and the release of terrorists, and now recognition of same-sex "couples"," remarked Feiglin. "For the first time they have recognized an institution that undermines the normative family foundations and Jewish family values."The later part of his statement seems a lot stronger and on topic then Meir Porush's overall attack on Bayit Yehudi "which after 65 years lends a hand to passing many laws that are destroying Yiddishkheit"
Feiglin's comment on the Jerusalem bill refers to the absence of the nationalist camp in a vote last Wednesday, on a bill requiring 80 MKs to approve any Jerusalem withdrawals. Feiglin joined 11 hareidi MKs in voting for the bill that was rejected.
At the time, Feiglin said he "looked at the empty seats of Likud, Jewish Home, and Yisrael Beytenu, and when their names were called and 'not present' was called - I thought to myself, truly the 'right' is not present."
Feiglin calls the Jewish Home claims that the same-sex bill will be changed in committee debates "utter nonsense."
"They are trying to minimize the damage, but it won't happen," commented Feiglin. "We are witnesses to the attack on all foundational values of society, on all fronts, including the national identity and the gender and familial identity, and the coalition is giving a hand to it all."
"Unfortunately on all the meaningful fronts, the nationalist camp has not placed goals for itself," the Likud MK concluded.
Coalition allies Jewish Home and Yesh Atid found themselves at odds over the same-sex "marriage" issue initially, even leading to a coalition crisis.
Eventually a compromise was reached whereby same-sex couples would receive equal tax breaks but not through official recognition in the legislation, sparing Jewish Home from being perceived as officially condoning same-sex marriage.
Bennett's enabling of Yesh Atid's agenda has sparked criticism from within his own party, as Jewish Home MKs on Monday said Bennett and his confidante MK Ayelet Shaked are letting themselves be "pushed around" by Finance Minister Yair Lapid's party.
(Arutz Sheva)
While every single person in the keneset was mechiyuv to vote against this evil bill Feiglin was the only person who actually passed their nesayon. Politically this was a bad move for Feiglin to go against his own party and his coalition. Since the charadi Parties are in the opposition and their votes were not necessary for the vote to pass, They had no POLITICAL reason to support this bill and every POLITICAL reason to oppose it (like Meretz, and Labor from an anti Torah View). This besides the fact that Meir Porush has the added reason of criticizing Bayit Yehudi because to bash them where they are 100% wrong it helps fight the draft war.
Since Moshe Feiglin took a politically hard stance He's the one who obligates (see Yoma 35A) others to vote against this, and has the right, should, and did critique Bayit "Yehudi"!
Thursday, December 26, 2013
Meir Porush Hypocritically Yet Correctly Attacks Bayit Yehudi For Allowing Toevah
Ne'emanei Eretz Yisrael
The bill to grant tax incentives to to’eva "couples", sponsored by Yesh Atid, passed its preliminary reading in Knesset on Wednesday 22 Teves as expected. The bill is sponsored by MK Dr. Adi Koll and it was passed after it was reworded to obtain Bayit Yehudi’s support, critical towards passing the bill. The bill passed in a 40-22 vote.
In response, MK (Yahadut Hatorah) Meir Porush accuses Bayit Yehudi of being מכשיר את השרץ, legitimizing that which is unholy.
Bayit Yehudi agreed to support the bill after all reference to to’eva couples was removed. In its place, the bill stipulates the finance minister can decide to apply the law as he sees fit. There is no doubt that Yesh Atid leader Finance Minister Yair Lapid will apply it to to’eva couples, the original intention of the bill.
Porush points a finger of blame at the dati leumi party “which after
65 years lends a hand to passing many laws that are destroying
Yiddishkheit”.
It was a stormy Knesset session as Lapid told chareidim “we live in a society and of entitlement and responsibility and those who contribute to society will receive”.
For Porush and other chareidi lawmakers, their anger is directed at the dati leumi party, for its decision to support the bill was instrumental. or is it because of the draft?
(YWN)
If Agudah was so against this bill how come most charadim didn't even knew about this bill, which fight was going on for the past month?
How come Agudah is only protesting the draft and not something that is infinitely worse?
How come the mosetzes is only protesting the draft?
How could Aguda even think of having "increased cooperation" with Labor which didn't vote for this mishkav zachar bill because they weren't 100% that it will mention mishkav zachar by name?
How come Degel Hatorah met with Netanyahu and didn't speak out on Mishkav Zachar?
Speaking with Kikar Shabbos, Yahadut Hatorah MK Rabbi Menachem Eliezer Moses explains that he feels the planned shlichus of the admorim to the USA is already having an impact on state officials. Moses is confident they are already feeling the pressure since they understand the significance of the act.
Moses earlier in the week met with MK (Labor) Yitzchak Herzog, explaining he met with the opposition leader in his capacity as leader of Yahadut Hatorah in Knesset. “We are disappointment with Netanyahu’s performance and it appears he has forgotten we were once longtime partners” Moses adds.
Moses feels the future will bring increased cooperation between his party and Labor for they agree on core issues. Moses is aware that Herzog sees himself as a viable candidate to become the next prime minister and therefore, the opposition leader is genuinely interested in striking a deal with the chareidim.
What will make a difference is Bayit Yehudi’s reaction as diplomatic talks between Israel and the PA move forward.
Regarding the upcoming shlichus of the admorim to the United States, Moses states “It’s no wonder they are traveling abroad to influence others since sadly, at home no one is willing to listen to what we have to say. Perhaps after the impact of this historic trip is felt, the influence from there will be felt here.”
(YWN)
MK (Yahadut Hatorah) Rav Moshe Gafne met with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Monday evening 20 Teves 5774, ahead of the Shaked Committee finalizing the new chareidi draft law.
It is reported that Gafne did not hide his concerns regarding the current coalition, its policies and the draft law something seems to be missing. He called on the prime minister to soften the severity of the law, which is met with widespread chareidi objections are present.
Persons close to Gafne add that in recent days he stated that if the
prime minister truly wanted to rid himself of Yesh Atid as the media
leaks indicate he does, Mr. Netanyahu has had ample opportunity to do so
of late as Lapid and his party continue to defy the prime minister and
his Likud party.
Nevertheless Mr. Netanyahu continues with the current coalition, which Gafne feels suits him fine, telling Mr. Netanyahu that he does not believe he wants to bring the chareidim into the coalition.
(YWN)
Each bayit yehudi Member deserves plenty of criticism for abstaining and not voting against the mishkav zachar bill (Kal vechomer Bennett, and Shaked)
However the fact that the haradiem did nothing helped make this situation possible.
If all Orthodox Jews (Edah, Degel, Aguda, Hesder, Shas, etc.) would have protested this saying unequivocally this is completely against the essence of Yiddishkeit it would have forced Bennet to veto this evil bill
The bill to grant tax incentives to to’eva "couples", sponsored by Yesh Atid, passed its preliminary reading in Knesset on Wednesday 22 Teves as expected. The bill is sponsored by MK Dr. Adi Koll and it was passed after it was reworded to obtain Bayit Yehudi’s support, critical towards passing the bill. The bill passed in a 40-22 vote.
In response, MK (Yahadut Hatorah) Meir Porush accuses Bayit Yehudi of being מכשיר את השרץ, legitimizing that which is unholy.
Bayit Yehudi agreed to support the bill after all reference to to’eva couples was removed. In its place, the bill stipulates the finance minister can decide to apply the law as he sees fit. There is no doubt that Yesh Atid leader Finance Minister Yair Lapid will apply it to to’eva couples, the original intention of the bill.
It was a stormy Knesset session as Lapid told chareidim “we live in a society and of entitlement and responsibility and those who contribute to society will receive”.
For Porush and other chareidi lawmakers, their anger is directed at the dati leumi party, for its decision to support the bill was instrumental. or is it because of the draft?
(YWN)
If Agudah was so against this bill how come most charadim didn't even knew about this bill, which fight was going on for the past month?
How come Agudah is only protesting the draft and not something that is infinitely worse?
How come the mosetzes is only protesting the draft?
How could Aguda even think of having "increased cooperation" with Labor which didn't vote for this mishkav zachar bill because they weren't 100% that it will mention mishkav zachar by name?
How come Degel Hatorah met with Netanyahu and didn't speak out on Mishkav Zachar?
Speaking with Kikar Shabbos, Yahadut Hatorah MK Rabbi Menachem Eliezer Moses explains that he feels the planned shlichus of the admorim to the USA is already having an impact on state officials. Moses is confident they are already feeling the pressure since they understand the significance of the act.
Moses earlier in the week met with MK (Labor) Yitzchak Herzog, explaining he met with the opposition leader in his capacity as leader of Yahadut Hatorah in Knesset. “We are disappointment with Netanyahu’s performance and it appears he has forgotten we were once longtime partners” Moses adds.
Moses feels the future will bring increased cooperation between his party and Labor for they agree on core issues. Moses is aware that Herzog sees himself as a viable candidate to become the next prime minister and therefore, the opposition leader is genuinely interested in striking a deal with the chareidim.
with Kikar Shabbos, Yahadut Hatorah MK Rabbi Menachem Eliezer Moses
explains that he feels the planned shlichus of the admorim to the USA is
already having an impact on state officials. Moses is confident they
are already feeling the pressure since they understand the significance
of the act.
Moses earlier in the week met with MK (Labor) Yitzchak Herzog, explaining he met with the opposition leader in his capacity as leader of Yahadut Hatorah in Knesset. “We are disappointment with Netanyahu’s performance and it appears he has forgotten we were once longtime partners” Moses adds.
Moses feels the future will bring increased cooperation between his party and Labor for they agree on core issues. Moses is aware that Herzog sees himself as a viable candidate to become the next prime minister and therefore, the opposition leader is genuinely interested in striking a deal with the chareidim.
When asked how Yahadut Hatorah can partner with the left-wing party,
Moses explained there is much in common and it could work quite nicely.
When asked about Labor’s support of talks with the PA (Palestinian
Authority), the party’s left-wing political allegiance, Moses responded
“we will cross that bridge when we come to it,” clearly signaling that
for him this is not a core issue and either is apparently mishkav zachar.Moses earlier in the week met with MK (Labor) Yitzchak Herzog, explaining he met with the opposition leader in his capacity as leader of Yahadut Hatorah in Knesset. “We are disappointment with Netanyahu’s performance and it appears he has forgotten we were once longtime partners” Moses adds.
Moses feels the future will bring increased cooperation between his party and Labor for they agree on core issues. Moses is aware that Herzog sees himself as a viable candidate to become the next prime minister and therefore, the opposition leader is genuinely interested in striking a deal with the chareidim.
What will make a difference is Bayit Yehudi’s reaction as diplomatic talks between Israel and the PA move forward.
Regarding the upcoming shlichus of the admorim to the United States, Moses states “It’s no wonder they are traveling abroad to influence others since sadly, at home no one is willing to listen to what we have to say. Perhaps after the impact of this historic trip is felt, the influence from there will be felt here.”
(YWN)
MK (Yahadut Hatorah) Rav Moshe Gafne met with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Monday evening 20 Teves 5774, ahead of the Shaked Committee finalizing the new chareidi draft law.
It is reported that Gafne did not hide his concerns regarding the current coalition, its policies and the draft law something seems to be missing. He called on the prime minister to soften the severity of the law, which is met with widespread chareidi objections are present.
Nevertheless Mr. Netanyahu continues with the current coalition, which Gafne feels suits him fine, telling Mr. Netanyahu that he does not believe he wants to bring the chareidim into the coalition.
(YWN)
Each bayit yehudi Member deserves plenty of criticism for abstaining and not voting against the mishkav zachar bill (Kal vechomer Bennett, and Shaked)
However the fact that the haradiem did nothing helped make this situation possible.
If all Orthodox Jews (Edah, Degel, Aguda, Hesder, Shas, etc.) would have protested this saying unequivocally this is completely against the essence of Yiddishkeit it would have forced Bennet to veto this evil bill
The
bill to grant tax incentives to to’eva couples, sponsored by Yesh Atid,
passed its preliminary reading in Knesset on Wednesday 22 Teves as
expected. The bill is sponsored by MK Dr. Adi Koll and it was passed
after it was reworded to obtain Bayit Yehudi’s support, critical towards
passing the bill. The bill passed in a 40-22 vote.
In response, MK (Yahadut Hatorah) Meir Porush accuses Bayit Yehudi of being מכשיר את השרץ, legitimizing that which is unholy.
Bayit Yehudi agreed to support the bill after all reference to to’eva couples was removed. In its place, the bill stipulates the finance minister can decide to apply the law as he sees fit. There is no doubt that Yesh Atid leader Finance Minister Yair Lapid will apply it to to’eva couples, the original intention of the bill.
Porush points a finger of blame at the dati leumi party “which after
65 years lends a hand to passing many laws that are destroying
Yiddishkheit”.
It was a stormy Knesset session as Lapid told chareidim “we live in a society and of entitlement and responsibility and those who contribute to society will receive”.
For Porush and other chareidi lawmakers, their anger is directed at the dati leumi party, for its decision to support the bill was instrumental.
In response, MK (Yahadut Hatorah) Meir Porush accuses Bayit Yehudi of being מכשיר את השרץ, legitimizing that which is unholy.
Bayit Yehudi agreed to support the bill after all reference to to’eva couples was removed. In its place, the bill stipulates the finance minister can decide to apply the law as he sees fit. There is no doubt that Yesh Atid leader Finance Minister Yair Lapid will apply it to to’eva couples, the original intention of the bill.
It was a stormy Knesset session as Lapid told chareidim “we live in a society and of entitlement and responsibility and those who contribute to society will receive”.
For Porush and other chareidi lawmakers, their anger is directed at the dati leumi party, for its decision to support the bill was instrumental.
Wednesday, December 25, 2013
Knesset Passes First Vote On Homosexual "Couple" Tax Law:Satmar/Aguda Still Protesting The Draft
The Knesset plenum approved in a 44-20 vote on Wednesday a preliminary bill offering tax breaks for same-sex "parents".
A
compromise between Yesh Atid and Habayit Hayehudi parties paved the way
for the bill's passage. The written deal between the two coalition
partners has been kept under wraps but it is expected the bill will be
shelved and that equal tax credits will be implemented through Finance
Ministry regulations rather than legislation.
Storming
out of the building, members of left-wing opposition party Meretz
refused to participate in the vote and demanded to make public the Yesh
Atid-Habayit Hayehudi agreement. They were joined in criticizing the
secret dealings by MK Eitan Cabel (Labor). He voted against the bill in
order to be allowed address the plenum and speak out against the lack of
transparency.
Religious Services Minister Naftali Bennett was
the only representative of Habayit Hayehudi present to vote in favor of
the law. MK Ayelet Shaked notified the Knesset that she was unable to
reach the plenum in time for the vote and asked that her name be added
to the bill’s supporters.
The
faction chairs of the two parties, Ofer Shelah for Yesh Atid and Ayelet
Shaked for Habayit Hayehudi, led the attempts to reach a compromise in
recent weeks. On Tuesday, they reached a final agreement at the forum of
faction chairmen of the coalition parties. In addition, the forum
resolved to convene for regular weekly sessions in order to reach
agreements on disputed bills before they are submitted for Knesset
votes.
The compromise should allow both parties to demonstrate an achievement.
Yesh
Atid can say gay "parents" have been included the tax law, and in
addition claim a "moral" triumph with the passing of the bill on Wednesday
that for the first time recognizes same-sex "couples", even if this step
does not result in legislation in the end.
A
senior party member said Tuesday that “Habayit Hayehudi cannot threaten
to veto a law after the government has decided to support it. We broke
that principle through this compromise. The bill will be voted on
exactly the way the government approved it, and Habayit Hayehudi won’t
prevent that."
In parallel, Habayit Hayehudi should be able to boast of derailing legislation that recognizes same-sex "couples".
Sources
close to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clarified last week that he
supports the law in the version introduced by MK Adi Kol (Yesh Atid),
which is the one passed Wednesday.
With
sources from the two sides giving contradictory information, and no
document publically available, the exact nature of the agreement between
Yesh Atid and Habayit Hayehudi remains unclear.
Habayit Hayehudi said the regulations Finance Minister Yair Lapid
would set will be subject to approval by the Finance Committee, which
is headed by their representative, MK Nissan Slomiansky. Yesh Atid, by
contrast, said that no such agreement had been reached and that the
authority to formulate the regulations would be entirely in the hands of
party chairman Yair Lapid. The regulations are expected to include the
phrase “partners of the same sex.”
Yesh Atid, however, was hesitated to play up the importance of the deal.
“This
bill wasn’t "supposed" to become the flagship of gay-"couple" recognition,
but to ease the distress of a few dozen couples discriminated against by
the state." A source in Yesh Atid said Tuesday. "We conduct "major
battles "on major issues. Yesh Atid is advancing the "civil union" law that
would recognize gay couples for the first time, and we’ll be bringing
that through the front gate, not the back door."
Kol’s
bill was approved three weeks ago by the ministerial Committee for
Legislation, but since then was not brought to the Knesset for a vote
due to the conflict between Yesh Atid and Habayit Hayehudi. Members of
Habayit Hayehudi, particularly MK Shaked, were subjected in recent weeks
to pressure and public criticism, especially on Facebook,
after trying to thwart the law and threatening to veto it. Lapid
harshly attacked the intention to veto the law and clarified that it
provides social assistance to children and is not concerned with issues
of religion and state.
“I’ll take this to the government,” Lapid told Army Radio. “I’ll ask them to explain what it has to do with religion and state, because if this is religion and state then we can veto any issue in the world because of religion and state. I don’t see how someone can raise their hand and say, ‘I support children getting punished because their "parents" are gay.'"
Under the current law, in the case of married couples, each child under the age of 18 garners only the woman one tax credit point.This means that two men raising children together are not eligible for the tax break. The value of a full credit point in 2013 was 2,616 shekels over the year.
(haaretz)
However, Meretz party MKs stormed out of the
hall before the vote in protest against confusion over exactly what deal
was struck between the Yesh Atid and Jewish Home parties over the
future of the bill, and in particular, whether any references to
“same-sex” were to be removed.
Coalition partners Yesh Atid and Jewish Home
agreed on Tuesday to bring the bill to the Knesset for a preliminary
reading although the two parties gave different versions of just what it
was that they agreed on.
The national-religious Jewish Home party,
which strongly opposed the law at first because it correctly saw the references to
gay "couples" as a step toward legalizing civil "marriage" in Israel,
claimed that after passing the preliminary reading the law was to be
changed. The updated version, from which of all mention of same-sex
"couples" was to be expunged, would instead only empower the interior
minister to apply regulations giving gay "couples" tax benefits equal to
those of heterosexual couples. and is still a step towards Toevah "marriage" and worse.
By contrast, Yesh Atid asserted that the law would continue as originally intended.
“This law will not go away and it will be
promoted in the standard process of passing laws,” Lapid said. “Because
it comes from the "sacred" principle that says every person has a right to
live in sin.”
Nonetheless, Lapid appeared to be evasive when
challenged by opposition MKs to give his assurances that the law would
be advanced in its current format and responded only that it would
necessarily be reworked in the coalition committee, over which he does
not have control.
During the vote, the only Jewish Home MKs to
give their approval were party leader Economy and Trade Minister Naftali
Bennett and MK Ayelet Shaked who's not Orthodox. Other Jewish Home MKs abstained in
protest against Lapid not mentioning the proposed future changes in the
wording and scope of the law. Or they're against the whole thing altogether
The legislation aims to alter current Israeli
law, which grants higher tax breaks for mothers than for fathers and
thus puts male gay "couples" at a "disadvantage" and changing it is promoting homosexuality. The benefits for each
child can reach over NIS 2,600 ($740) a year.
(timesofisrael) highlights ours
Meanwhile
the "charadiem" are doing nothing, If every Single Orthodox Jew In Israel and America
would have fought this Habayit Hayehudi might have fought stronger, and we possibly could have gotten Likud To fight it also
But of course the
draft is more important
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| Moshe Indig at yesterday's Aroni Protest of the draft (a toevah supporter both in America and apparently EY) |
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