Monday, June 30, 2014

Gallup Poll Says Most Americans Support Assisted Suicide


 How Polls Can Be Misused




Nearly 70 Percent Of Americans Support Euthanasia actually many may have interpreted the question to include things lesser like withholding food, But Opinions Vary By Religiosity  by saying 70% support Euthanasia when it really substantially less, it changes weak minded people who are good on this issue because they don't want to be part of the "30"%


A strong majority of Americans support "euthanasia" and have done so for the past 20 years yet in the 2012 election it lost a vote in the liberal state of Massachusetts 51.9% -48.1%. Nearly 70% are in favor of giving physicians the ability to legally "end [a] patient's life by some painless means which can include not doing things to save the persons life which many times will still problematic, is not even remotely as bad as assisted suicide," but opinions vary dramatically by religiosity and by the wording of the question, according to a recent Gallup poll.


Pew Research's Religion & Public Life Project gathered summaries from 16 major American religious groups in 2013 outlining their faiths' stance on euthanasia. Almost all of the 16 expressed either strong opposition or serious concern over "prematurely ending a person’s life," with the exceptions being the United Church of Christ and the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations.

Gallup also found that only 48% of Americans who attend weekly religious services support "euthanasia", compared to 82% of those who attend religious services less than once a month.


General support decreased from 69% to 58% when Gallup inquired about support for "doctor-assisted suicide." Whether a case of wording or a genuinely subtle distinction between doctor-assisted suicide and euthanasia, the issue sparked debate in 2013 when a 44-year-old transgender "man" in Brussels deliberately ended his life with the help of a physician.
or maybe it's like Lifesite news said
The Gallup poll question is vague.
The Gallup poll question refers to ending a patient’s life by some painless means. Many Americans believe that withholding or withdrawing medical treatment is the same as euthanasia and many Americans confuse palliative care with euthanasia.
Euthanasia has been legal in Belgium since 2002 they're now trying to allow child euthanasia, but in Nathan Verhelst's case some may wonder whether emotional pain constitutes as grounds for euthanasia, as the pain of the elderly or dying might.
even if "only" 50% of the country is in favor of assisted suicide we have a major problem.

 (Huffington Post) highlights mine



from a
American's please sign this petition against Euthanasia
Canadians please sign this petition against  

Remember this is a serious concern Quebec (Montreal) recently (‎in the beginning of June) allowed assisted suicide





Quebec passes law allowing assisted "suicide"

Posted Fri 6 Jun 2014, 11:43am AEST


Montreal  - Canada's Quebec province adopted legislation Thursday allowing terminally ill patients to kill themselves with a doctor's help, becoming the first jurisdiction in the country Canada to effectively legalize assisted "suicide".

The move sets the stage for a judicial row with Ottawa, as federal criminal law forbids euthanasia even with a person's consent.

Opponents have said it will undermine confidence in doctors' care, but there is growing demand for the suffering to have more control over their parting.

To get around Canada's criminal law against assisted "suicide", Quebec is expected to argue that this is a "health" issue, which falls under its jurisdiction, and not a criminal matter.
Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard defended the bill, saying it dealt with end of life care, and "not euthanasia."

The French-speaking province's former health minister said when it was unveiled last year that the law would allow Quebecers to face "their final days in a more "serene" way, and in accordance with their "wishes"."
But critics, including some doctors, philosophers, ethicists, lawyers and clergymen, warned it could lead to abuses and unnecessary deaths.

The option is only available to adult Quebec residents who are suffering from a terminal illness, and an independent doctor must concur with the prognosis.

Four US states -- Montana, Oregon Israel's proposed assisted "suicide" law was based on Oregon's, Vermont and Washington -- have similar statutes on the books.
(AFP) highlights my additions


Thursday, June 26, 2014

Susan Rice Calls LGBT Rights America's Most Important Issue At White House's First Global LGBT Human "Rights" Forum

Rice Says Protecting Global LGBT People the Biggest Human Rights Issue


Susan Rice, the White House National Security Adviser, said Tuesday that the most challenging human "rights" issue facing the U.S. is protecting international LGBT people from discrimination not Syria, China, North Koera etc. murdering it's own citizens.

Speaking at the first-ever LGBT Human Rights Forum, Rice urged "religious", human "rights", and HIV and health care advocates to unite against global discrimination of LGBT people. She also told advocates that the Obama administrated has directed U.S. diplomacy and financial aid that's your tax money to help LGBT people in other countries.

However, Rice argued that the effort to protect global LGBT citizens is difficult because many anti-gay laws are widely supported in foreign countries. Seven countries, with Brunei on track to become the eighth, "still" impose the death penalty for same-sex sex while 77 countries illegalize homosexual acts. "Only" 18 countries issue same-sex marriage licenses.

The forum, which is part of the U.S.’s ongoing efforts to promote and protect LGBT people around the world, also discussed other measures including how to combat anti-LGBT laws, protect human rights and advance nondiscrimination, respond to human rights abuses, protect LGBT refugees and asylum seekers, and engage international organizations to fight LGBT discrimination. For the full statement on the forum, click hereread below.

Later that night, Vice President Biden emphasized the importance of protecting LGBT people around the world during a pool report. He accredited global change to LGBT people having the courage to come out and called the issue of LGBT rights “the civil "rights" issue of our day.” He also emphasized the U.S.’s role as a leader in LGBT rights and said that cultural differences do not justify the persecution of LGBT people.

The Obama administration has already made efforts to fight discrimination around the world. Just last week, the U.S. issued a series of efforts to protect LGBT and human rights in Uganda, including restricting entrance visas to Ugandan officials who have been involved with LGBT discrimination.

These efforts to protect global LGBT citizens are being spearheaded by other politicians as well – last week, out Rep. David Cicilline (Providence) from Rhode Island proposed a bill that would ban entry to all LGBT and human rights violators read below. However, anti-LGBT laws continue to exist and grow in other countries and pose a serious threat to the global LGBT community.
(HRC) highlights are my additions


these are the non American citizens who would be banned from entering America from the bill in question


1) is responsible for or complicit in the extrajudicial killing, torture, or other gross violation of internationally recognized human rights, including widespread or systematic violation of the fundamental freedoms of expression, association, or assembly this means that anyone who tries to ban the Toevah Parade in Yerushalayim, committed against an individual in a foreign country based on actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity;


(2) acted as an agent of or on behalf of a foreign person in a matter relating to an activity described in paragraph (1); or
(3)  is responsible for or complicit in inciting a foreign person to engage in an activity described in paragraph (1).
(highlights are obviously not included in the bill)


the cosponsors of this bill are
Eliot Engel, [D-NY16] (Riverdale, and Lower Westchester)
Anna Eshoo, [D-CA18] (Palo Alto)
Lois Frankel, [D-FL22] (Boca Raton)
Barbara Lee, [D-CA13] (Oakland)
Zoe Lofgren, [D-CA19]  (San Jose)
Alan Lowenthal, [D-CA47] (Long Beach)
Sean Maloney, [D-NY18] (Kiryas Yoel) (the openly gay congressman got over 1,500 votes in KJ)
Jim McDermott, [D-WA7] (Seattle, doesn't include Seward Park)
James “Jim” McGovern, [D-MA2] (Worcester)
Patrick Murphy, [D-FL18] (Port St Lucie)
Mark Pocan, [D-WI2] (Madison)
Jared Polis, [D-CO2] (Fort Collins, Boulder)
Lucille Roybal-Allard, [D-CA40] (Hispanic District in LA)
Jackie Speier, [D-CA14] (San Francisco, Daly City)
Mark Takano, [D-CA41] ()
Frederica Wilson, [D-FL24] (Miami, North Miami, North Miami Beach, Miami Gardens)
Adam Schiff, [D-CA28] (Hollywood)

from the White Houses Website

The White House
Office of the Press Secretary

FACT SHEET: Advancing The Human Rights Of LGBT Persons Globally

On June 24, 2014, the White House hosted the first-ever Global Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Human "Rights" Forum, bringing together the faith community, private sector, philanthropy, HIV and other health advocates, LGBT activists from around the world, and the broader human rights community to discuss how to work together with the U.S. government and others to promote respect for the human rights of LGBT individuals around the world.   Participants discussed, among other topics, how to counter legislation that impinges on the rights of LGBT persons, the increasing enforcement in some countries of  "discriminatory" laws that have been dormant for some time, and other "threats" to LGBT individuals globally.

The Forum is part of the U.S. government’s ongoing efforts to use diplomacy and assistance to promote and protect the human rights of LGBT persons around the world.  These efforts, which are governed by the landmark Presidential Memorandum of December 2011 on “International Initiatives to Advance the Human "Rights" of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Persons,” also include the following:
Combating Criminalization of LGBT Status or Conduct Abroad
  • Country Engagement:  The United States regularly engages with host governments and civil society in countries that have "discriminatory" laws or are considering legislation that would criminalize consensual same-sex conduct between adults.  We press to discourage passage wherever possible, and in cases where laws are on the books, to protect LGBT individuals from violence and discrimination that often accompany the enactment and enforcement of such legislation. 
  • Reporting:  We report on violence and discrimination in countries that criminalize same-sex conduct through focused discussion of LGBT issues in the annual Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, and we ensure U.S. citizens are aware of discriminatory laws and practices through the Bureau of Consular Affairs’ Country Specific Information (CSI).
Protecting Human Rights and Advancing Nondiscrimination through Diplomatic and Pubic Engagement and Foreign Assistance
The United States supports programs that advance human rights and democracy for all; protect human rights defenders; train LGBT leaders to participate more effectively in democratic processes; and improve documentation of human "rights" violations and abuses.
  • Programming and Partnerships:  The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has expanded its investments, including through the LGBT Global Development Partnership, totaling, for July 2012 to December 2013, approximately $11 million in stand-alone programs.  Funding has built the capacity of local NGOs and LGBT leaders, provided health solutions, and supported victims of violence.  In addition, through a groundbreaking partnership with the National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce, USAID will enhance LGBT entrepreneurship and the growth of LGBT-led enterprises in up to six developing countries.  The Department of State-led Global Equality Fund is a multi-stakeholder initiative including governments, private foundations, and corporations that has provided more than $12 million since its launch in 2011 to promote and protect the human rights of LGBT persons in over 50 countries worldwide. 
  • Research and Learning to Guide LGBT Assistance Programs:  Improved understanding of the local political, legal and socio-economic realities of LGBT communities is necessary to design assistance programs that are effective and sustainable.  USAID funds multiple initiatives to assess the status of LGBT communities worldwide.
  • Examining the rights of LGBT persons in Vetting for U.S. Assistance:  The Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC) examines human rights, including the human rights of LGBT persons, through its Civil Liberties indicator, which is used as one of the criteria to determine country eligibility for MCC assistance. In situations where concerns for the interests of LGBT individuals are identified during due diligence on a proposed project, MCC integrates these concerns into its social and gender assessment and oversight. 
  • Access to Health Services:  The President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) works with national governments and civil society to help build environments that enable access to HIV prevention, care, and treatment without discrimination based on gender identity or sexual orientation. 
  • Trade and Investment:  Departments and agencies – from the Department of Commerce to the Export-Import Bank of the United States – raise concerns with economic and commercial actors about the effect on the business climate of laws, regulations, and practices that "discriminate" against LGBT persons.  Several U.S. trade agreements include opportunities for cooperative engagement between Parties to address labor-related concerns, including employment "discrimination", which provides a mechanism for the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) to discuss concerns related to employment "discrimination" of LGBT persons
  • Public Engagement:  In Washington and at embassies and consulates abroad, departments and agencies use public statements, public events, and public outreach to governments and civil society to demonstrate support for LGBT persons. remember the gay flag over Tel Aviv
Responding to Human Rights "Abuses" of LGBT Persons Abroad 
We recognize the importance of acting quickly and effectively in countries where the rights of LGBT persons are at risk and have developed a rapid response mechanism to address situations of concern and persons at risk.
  • Rapid Response Mechanism:  Each of our embassies and consulates provide prompt human rights reporting on situations of concern.  When a crisis emerges, an interagency task force is formed to coordinate with key stakeholders, including partner nations and civil society representatives. 
  • Preventing and Responding to Violence and Discrimination:  The State Department – in collaboration with U.S.-based law enforcement organizations – trains law enforcement officers from other nations on the unique challenges and approaches to investigating, responding to, and preventing hate crimes.  In 2014, the State Department sponsored counter hate crimes training for law enforcement officials from Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, and Mexico.  In addition, State supports a Violent Crimes Task Force in Honduras that investigates and supports the prosecution of LGBT-related homicide cases. 
Protecting Vulnerable LGBT Refugees and Asylum Seekers
The United States is committed to identifying protection gaps for LGBT refugees and asylum seekers and developing targeted interventions to address those gaps.
  • Training and Capacity-Building:  The Department of State has developed and completed training for Department staff and resettlement partners overseas and continues to engage with government and international organizations to promote protection of and assistance to LGBT refugees.  The State Department also funds the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and other non-governmental and international organization partners to develop training materials focused on LGBT refugees and asylum seekers and strengthen institutional capacity to address their unique needs. At the Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. Customs and Immigration Service’s Refugee, Asylum, and International Operations Directorate trains refugee and asylum officers using a comprehensive module on LGBT issues. 
  • Programming: The State Department has supported non-governmental partners to conduct research and pilot new programs to support LGBT refugees and asylum seekers in urban areas, and has also provided targeted assistance to partners working to provide safe shelter and services for LGBT survivors of gender-based violence.
  • Humanitarian Diplomacy:  We raise, on an on-going basis, the needs of LGBT refugees with host governments and the United Nations.  The State Department annually communicates information to all U.S. embassies about the U.S. refugee resettlement process, including as it relates to LGBT applicants.
  • Assessing Risk:  Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) designed a new Risk Classification Assessment instrument that directs ICE officers to consider special vulnerabilities when making custody and classification decisions, including whether a person may be at risk due to sexual orientation or gender identity.  The 2011 Performance-Based National Detention Standards requires that sexual orientation or gender identity be considered as a potential special vulnerability requiring particular consideration in housing a detainee.
Engaging International Organizations in the Fight against LGBT Discrimination
The United States partners with a diverse group of countries to advocate for the human rights of LGBT persons at the United Nations and in other multilateral fora.
  • Coordination:  At the United Nations, the United States is part of the fifteen-member New York LGBT core group and the Geneva-based Group of Friends that coordinates on LGBT issues.  We regularly raise LGBT issues in meetings with UN counterparts and have advocated for LGBT-related recommendations as part of the UN’s Universal Periodic Review process
  • Human Rights Engagement:  We co-sponsored and supported passage of the first-ever Human Rights Council resolution addressing the issue of violence toward LGBT persons, have consistently spoken in support of these issues through statements from the floor, and have used our convening power to bring countries and civil society together at a variety of meetings and events. 
  • Health Engagement:  With the support of the United States, for the first time the World Health Organization has begun discussions on the negative repercussions of stigma, discrimination, and other barriers to care for LGBT persons in the health system as a whole.  Our efforts resulted in a groundbreaking Pan-American Health Organization resolution on LGBT health in 2013, which emphasized that equal access to care is a health issue and called on countries to collect data on access to health care and health facilities for their LGBT population. 
  • Multinational Development Bank (MDB) Engagement:  The Treasury Department encourages the MDBs to strengthen attention to LGBT issues in their human resources policies, and to protect the human rights of LGBT persons and advance social inclusion and non-discrimination through MDBs’ projects, including, for example, studies to measure the economic cost of discrimination against LGBT persons, and steps to ensure that LGBT persons can access projects’ benefits without being exposed to harm. 
Strengthening U.S. Government Capacity
Through training, working groups, the development of personnel and external policies, and other mechanisms, department and agencies have redoubled their efforts to advance the human rights of LGBT persons.  Such efforts include Peace Corps beginning in June 2013 to accept applications from same-sex couples to serve together abroad as Volunteers; USAID releasing its first LGBT Vision for Action; and the State Department developing an LGBT Toolkit to guide engagement at embassies globally and in Washington.

Wednesday, June 25, 2014

Jerusalem Post Reports Overwhelming Support For Assisted Suicide Bill In The Knesset

Physician-assisted suicide and the struggle for the soul of the State of Israel 

our previous stories on this story

By SHIMSHON HAKOHEN NADEL
06/18/2014 22:44

According to Jewish Law, euthanasia is not compassion – it is murder.


On June 8, a bill proposed by Yesh Atid MK Ofer Shelah legalizing physician- assisted suicide passed the Knesset’s Ministerial Committee for Legislative Affairs in a vote of 8-2. If passed, the new law would allow doctors to administer a lethal injection to terminally ill patients who have six months or less to live. And while there has been some opposition from lawmakers and the Chief Rabbinate, what is surprising is the overwhelming support for the new bill – by Knesset Members and the Israeli public.

Advocates of such a law question the quality of life for patients in the last stages of a terminal illness. They speak about "freedom of choice", a patient’s right to autonomy, dying with dignity, and compassion.

Even the late “Dr. Death,” Jack Kevorkian, called the device he used in the deaths of some of the 130 people he helped euthanize the “Mercitron,” evoking "mercy" and "compassion".

But according to Jewish Law, euthanasia is not compassion – it is murder (See Rambam, Hil. Rotze’ah 2:2-3). A patient has no right to take his own life, and, as Chief Rabbi David Lau already commented, a doctor’s sole responsibility is to heal – not to end life (see Shulhan Arukh, Yoreh De’ah 336:1).

While some of the greatest legal authorities of the 20th century such as Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein ruled that in some cases introducing treatment and taking measures in order to extend life are no longer required, all agree that doing anything to hasten the death of a terminally ill patient is akin to murder. Even in the case of a goses, who according to most authorities has less than 72 hours left to live, it is forbidden to take any action that may hasten his death – even touching the patient is prohibited! (Shulhan Arukh, Yoreh De’ah 339:1) The Talmud (Avodah Zara 18a) relates that when Rabbi Chanina ben Tradion was being burned alive by the Romans, his students begged him to end his suffering by opening his mouth and allowing the flames to enter. Rabbi Chanina replied, “It is better for He who gave [me my soul] to take it, rather than cause injury to myself.”

This account illustrates that even the dying patient, suffering in pain, is prohibited from taking any action to hasten his death. R. Avraham Danzig rules that one must abstain from doing anything even if the patient’s pain is severe and his family is suffering severe emotional pain (Hokhmat Adam 151:14).

This should not be mistaken for cruelty or a lack of compassion. Instead, it expresses Judaism’s emphasis on life. Concerning the Torah’s laws, we are instructed to “Live by them” (Leviticus 18:5). The Talmud (Yoma 85b) adds, “And not die by them,” requiring the violation of all but three Torah laws in order to preserve life. For in the Jewish tradition, life is of infinite worth. A famous Talmudic passage teaches, “If any person has caused a single soul to perish, Scripture regards him as if he had caused an entire world to perish. And if any human being saves a single soul, Scripture regards him as if he has saved an entire world” (Sanhedrin 37a).

While advocates for physician-assisted suicide argue that a life of pain and suffering is not worth living, our tradition teaches that even the last few moments of life are of immeasurable worth.

And while even secular ethicists agree that euthanasia presents serious ethical, moral and legal questions, in some countries like Belgium and the Netherlands physician-assisted suicide is legal. Even in the United States, physician-assisted suicide has been legal in the State of Oregon since 1994. Oregon’s Death with "Dignity" Act allows for a physician to prescribe a lethal dose of medication for the purpose of ending the patient’s life. In fact, MK Ofer Shelah’s bill was designed based on Oregon law.

But Israel is not Belgium, the Netherlands, or the State of Oregon. The State of Israel is the "Jewish" state not when it talks about laws like this, and religious affiliations aside, Judaism values life above all.

In Judaism, life has sanctity. A law legalizing physician-assisted suicide threatens to extra words undermines the Jewish character of the Jewish state.

It’s high time we embrace our status as a “light unto the nations.” As the Shelah bill proceeds to a preliminary reading and is assigned to a committee, the State of Israel, as the Jewish state, has an obligation to articulate a clear message to the world that life has value and sanctity, and must be protected and preserved.




where are the protest in Yerushalim for this bill which is infinitely worse then then the draft


The author lives and teaches in Jerusalem.
(Jerusalem Post) highlights my additions
If you don't know about this story here are 2 stories from YWN

Israel: Ministerial Committee Approves Physician Approved Euthanasia Bill R”L 
 The Prescription Death Bill was debated by the Ministerial Law Committee on Sunday, 10 Sivan 5774. The bill sponsored by MK (Yesh Atid) Ofir Shelach seeks to pass into law "mercy" killings accompanied by a physician’s orders. The ministerial committee passed the bill.

If passed into law, a physician would be permitted to write a prescription to deliver a lethal dose of medication to a dying patient, to end one’s suffering. If the Knesset passes the bill into law, a doctor writing a fatal prescription will not be liable for any criminal activity under the law.

Shelach told his colleagues the problem is a big one, widespread, and one that needs to be addressed. He stated that with today’s technology and medical advancement life can be prolonged. He feels that his bill will give a patient a measure of control over his own life even during his final days. He feels the bill, if passed into law, will eliminate the legal issues faced by physicians wishing to assist one in ending one’s life today.
(YWN)
Chief Rabbi Lau Shlita Blasts Euthanasia Bill 

Chief Rabbi David Lau Shlita told chareidi radio on Monday night the eve of 12 Sivan 5774 that the Euthanasia Bill passed by the Ministerial Law Committee earlier this week negates halacha and is nothing short of murder. Rav Lau cited how halacha permits physicians to heal, not chas v’sholom to take a life, a decision that remains exclusively in HKBH’s hands, not mortal man.

The rav warned that such an outrageous bill begins with taking the life of one who is terminally ill to end one’s suffering. From there it will extend to the mentally ill, and then even addressing those with what perceive to be poor quality of life. He expressed outrage over the bill and called on the ministers to reverse the unacceptable decision.

The bill would permit physicians to write a prescription for a fatal cocktail for terminally ill patients wishing to bring their suffering to an end.
 (YWN)
What ever happened to the veto power that Bayit Yehudi Has on on bills of that are against the Torah?

Friday, June 20, 2014

An Example Of Gay Propaganda In Public School (From 2 Months Ago)


 This Video promoting homosexuality was shown by Craig High School in Janesville, Wisconsin

The Janesville School District superintendent issued a public apology Tuesday for the showing of a video that she describes as pro-gay marriage and in violation of district policies requiring the presentation of all sides of “controversial” or “political” topics.

In April, Craig High School’s Gay-Straight Alliance problem 1 showed “Kids React to Gay "Marriage",” a 16-minute video of children leading to problem 2 reacting to "marriage" proposals between same-sex couples and sharing their thoughts on issues like gay" marriage" bans or whether they would stay friends with someone who told them they were gay.

Bits of text flashed during the video offering viewers information about the history and status of gay "marriage" in the United States or about discrimination and hate crimes, among other things.

Superintendent Karen Schulte said in a statement that the GSA’s advisers and principal Alison Bjoin approved students viewing the video during classes. forget the 3 R's (Reading, wRiting, and aRithmitic, ow it's the 3 S's Sex, Sodomy, and Social Engineering) But Schulte said a later review of the video prompted her apology.

“The appropriate thing would be to present both sides of an issue or all sides of an issue, so that’s why I sent the apology, because I felt we did not follow board policy,” Schulte said in an interview.

Schulte said the video was “very biased” and violated the school district’s policies on controversial and political issues because it did not offer a similar look at views in support of keeping marriage between men and women.

The policy requires classroom discussions to include all sides of a political matter.

She said she felt “that the concept of gay marriage would fall under political action and/or legislation” because cases are being argued for and against it in courts across the country.

Day of Silence

The video was played on April 11 to recognize the Day of Silence some more stories from gay day and gay week, a national event to bring “attention to anti-LGBT name-calling, "bullying" and harassment in schools and homosexuality promotion,” according to the Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network.

Schulte — who said she was directed by the Janesville School Board to issue the public apology this week — also said in the statement Tuesday that the district includes elimination of "bullying" and "harassment" toward all students as part of its Day of Silence activities and the video was not aligned with that purpose.

Jill Marcellus, spokeswoman for the Gay-Straight Alliance Network, said the focus should be on the fact that students were trying to raise awareness about issues facing the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, rather than on the video.

“Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth face so many barriers in school, from harassment by their peers to unfair policies that punish youth because of who they are,” she said. “School staff should encourage, not condemn, the "brave" efforts of youth in Gay-Straight Alliance clubs to make their schools safer for all students.” What about religious students

Video creators Benny and Rafi Fine said in an email that they do not consider the video to be biased, and consider “raw opinions of children to be incredibly "valuable" insight on our current society.”

They also said they were surprised to see any need for a public apology over the video.

“We feel it is a great resource to discuss both sides of the issue by seeing not just how these particular children answered the questions, but to answer and discuss the questions and information we presented as a starting off point to discuss what each individual viewer of the episode’s opinions are on the subject themselves,” they said.

Parents complained

Schulte’s apology came after a School Board member contacted the district office about two parents and a grandparent who had contacted the principal upset about the video.

After receiving complaints, Bjoin told students in the Gay-Straight Alliance that some students may have been offended and talked about guidelines for the future, Schulte said.

A grandparent contacted the School Board because she felt a public apology for what happened in April was warranted also, board member Bill Sodemann said.

“I found the video to be inappropriate and propaganda laden in addition to the left-wing political view,” grandparent Jo Yungerman wrote to the principal in a letter dated April 17 provided to the State Journal.

Bjoin declined to comment. Teacher Diana Mishleau-Daluge, who is listed on the high school’s website as the GSA’s adviser, did not return phone calls.

and if the parents would have complained about the gay straights alliances, and gay day in general without the extra insults, they might have prevented this instead of getting an apology for that which already happened.

Second conflict

This is the second time in six years that there was conflict in the school district over the Day of Silence.

In 2008, GSA students in both Janesville high schools hung "informational" posters leading up to the Day of Silence, which drew ire from some community members — including Sodemann, who was a board member at the time, according to Janesville Gazette archives.

“If you’re going to deal with those (controversial issues), then you’re going to deal with them in an even-handed and balanced way and this was neither,” he said Tuesday.

Sodemann also said he considered the video to be bullying people who did not support same-sex "marriage" on a day highlighting the wrongs of bullying.

He said he also would object to showing a video about keeping marriage between men and women — or about any issue — that didn’t offer a balanced presentation.
(host.madison.com) highlights my additions

Once I viewed the video, I felt like it was biased to one side of the (same-sex "marriage") issue," superintendent Schulte said


Three parents wrote letters complaining that students shouldn't have been shown the video, but the majority of parents didn't have an public issue with it, Schulte said.did she ask them or she's just assuming so because they didn't voice a complaint, in short we need to broadcast are complaints



Schulte said the video "certainly didn't show support for the other side" that opposes same-sex marriage, but she believes the student group who chose the video was "well intentioned" and that this is a "teachable moment" for those students.


"We always try to find balance," Schulte said.

Board member Bill Sodemann said the district made an "obvious error" by showing the video but was pleased a public apology was issued.

"The video goes against our policies," Sodemann said. "We can't use the schools to promote political agendas."


Sodemann said the district showed transparency Tuesday by letting the public know it had made a mistake just as it does when it notifies the public of an accomplishment.

"It was supposed to be an anti-bullying message but didn't do anything but promote gay marriage," Sodemann said. "When dealing with these issues, you need to have balance and can't promote political issues."

Board President Greg Ardrey said the board wasn't aware of the video until May 6 and took appropriate action upon finding out from a parent. He said it is important for the district to acknowledge when it makes a mistake.
"The No. 1 piece is we recognized a violation in policy had occurred," Ardrey said. "In this case for certain, there weren't two sides of the video expressed."





(twincities.comlike she actually expected a gay-straight alliance to make a balanced video
 

Thursday, June 19, 2014

We Can Win This War

Great news from an organization by the name of One Million Moms, whos mission is to stop immorality from being broadcasted on the public media!
 
Regarding sponsors for the indecent TV show "Mistressees":


"All but one of the sponsors we contacted last week did not return for this week's episode of "Mistresses." Macy's was the only one of these advertisers that was present during this week's show. One Million Moms has received a phone call from Sonic and an email reply from Neutrogena stating they have no future plans of advertising during the program "Mistresses."

 
 
This was done by a simple email campaign. We have a lot of power in our hands just by making our voices heard!

Wednesday, June 18, 2014

Agudath Israel of $$$$$

From: Mr. Marvin Schick

Great attention has been paid to the recent Agudah Dinner, an unusual circumstance arising from the publicity given to the speech of the Novominsker Rebbe and the failure – if that is an appropriate term – of Mayor de Blasio to respond to the Rebbe’s criticism of Open Orthodoxy and the non-Orthodox movements.  We have been treated to a barrage of anti-charedi bigotry, beginning with The Forward and continuing more importantly to Michael Powell of the New York Times who with regularity utilizes his column as a vehicle to attack religious Jews.

We are living through the social earthquake that is gay marriage.  Certainly in New York, every top official is an ardent supporter of gay marriage and the Mayor surely is.  Mr. de Blasio stands for a heck of a lot of things that are anathema for the Agudah and for the Orthodox community.  Why the invitation?  Why the desire to be popular?  Is the Agudah Dinner to become an Orthodox Jewish counterpart to the Catholic Church’s annual Al Smith Dinner where major public figures are invited to participate and even to speak, irrespective of how much their views and actions depart from the belief system of the sponsoring organization?

The man with the answers

Obama

On Monday, President Barack Obama let it be known that he planned to sign an executive order to prohibit federal contractors from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Why now? To cover up his failures in Iran and Iraq. 



Obama’s commitment to sign the order comes on the eve of a New York fundraiser Tuesday night for the D.N.C. given by gay supporters of the President, at which he is scheduled to speak. It also comes in June, during gay-pride month, when the White House has often made big gay-rights announcements. The executive order would give federal-contractor workers protections on par with those that prohibit discrimination based on race, gender, and the other more traditional factors. The order would cover twenty-eight million people over all, according to Politico.
Many companies that do business with the government already have such protections in place, as do some states and municipalities. But more than half of the states have no protection for gay workers—meaning that a person can be fired for being gay in most states and have no legal recourse.


Tuesday, June 17, 2014

Gay Propaganda In Yeshiva Day Schools


To see more about this all important story please read this


To be young, "Orthodox" and openly gay

Orthodox Jewish high schools in the United States try to balance concerns for their reputation and their students, as growing number of teens openly identify as gay.

 

NEW YORK — Though he had lots of friends, Amram Altzman still felt alone at Ramaz High School. As a 16-year-old sophomore at the modern-Orthodox Manhattan institution, Altzman worried about what people would think, whether they would accept him, if they knew he was gay. “Being gay and being "Orthodox" just wasn’t something that was talked about. It was isolating,” says Altzman, now 19 and in college.

He told his closest friends first, then his parents. Before long, almost everyone at Ramaz knew that he was gay. While there were a few negative comments, Altzman felt accepted overall. At home in Mill Basin, Brooklyn, however, it was a different story. There, comments were so routinely hostile that his parents moved the family to a different community, in order to take Amram and his younger siblings out of an environment they felt could alienate their sons from Judaism altogether. And while Altzman says that he was embraced by both his friends and his family, he wishes that Ramaz handled the issue of homosexuality differently, framing it not as a sin and a chosen lifestyle, but rather as an identity.  should we also cut the pesukim that deal with it out of the Torah?

Like a growing number of students, the topic of homosexuality is beginning to come out at Orthodox high schools in the United States. Until very recently, the norm for gay "Orthodox" Jews was to come out in college or later. But for a few years now there has been a marked shift. Students at Orthodox high schools who identify as gay are increasingly pushing to not only make sure that they are not overtly bullied, but also wholly accepted and able to explore what it means to be both gay and "Orthodox". Now that same-sex marriage is legal in 18 U.S. states, and American attitudes are becoming, in many places, far more accepting, the challenge to Orthodox high schools is growing.

It is complex terrain that school leaders are tentatively beginning to navigate: On the one hand they have a growing concern for the safety and emotional well-being of their students. On the other hand they face communal attitudes, which, informed by verses in Leviticus and Orthodox Jewish law, still routinely condemn homosexuality.

The Haretz is linking to the RCA who said these "objectionable" statements.
1. The Torah and Jewish tradition, in the clearest of terms, prohibit the practice of homosexuality. Same-sex unions are against both the letter and the spirit of Jewish law, which sanctions only the union of a man and a woman in matrimony.
2. Attempts to ritualize or celebrate same-sex unions are antithetical to Jewish law. Any clergyman who performs or celebrates a same-sex union cannot claim the mantle of Orthodox Judaism.


“There is a growing awareness in the Orthodox day-school community that GLBTQ issues need to be addressed, because these are real issues that kids and families face,” says Idit Klein, executive director of Keshet, a Boston-based national organization devoted to working for the full inclusion of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer Jews. It recently ran a day-long workshop at the Greater Miami Jewish Federation. Participating local organizations included Orthodox schools.

“Conversations are happening very, very slowly and carefully,” says Miryam Kabakov, the executive director of Eshel, a group focused on creating community for "Orthodox" GLBTQ Jews and their families through retreats and support groups. The organization has begun to prepare curricular materials for use in Orthodox schools.

Multiple aspects of the issue require addressing, experts say: creating safe space for students during classroom time and extracurricular activities; dealing with attitudes of the Orthodox communities of which the schools are a part, which in many places offer little but wholesale condemnation; resolving questions of accepting students with same-gender parents and faculty members who are openly gay; and tackling school administrators’ concerns about how the school will be perceived if it is open about these issues. In reality, just a handful of the most modern of modern Orthodox high schools are beginning to explore these issues.

“Many rabbis and Jewish educators have moved to a profound empathy but are not sure how to navigate that alongside a 2,000 year old prohibition and parental fear that addressing these issues will lead to unwanted behavior,” says "Rabbi" Steven Greenberg, coexecutive director of Eshel and the first Orthodox rabbi to publicly come out as gay. notice that Greenberg is saying that the Torah prohibition of homosexual relations does not go back as far as Sinai

Los Angeles’ Shalhevet High School last month brought in Eshel staff to quietly begin exploring the topic with faculty.

“We walk a very fine line,” says Rabbi Ari Segal, the head of Shalhevet, which has 180 students. “We have families in the school that would feel very strongly ‘of course we should have a GLBTQ club,’ and then families that feel strongly that an Orthodox school should not. They would frame it, ‘You wouldn’t have a Shabbat violators club.’”

While the school has not yet had out gay students or applicants with gay parents, Segal said he has explored with rabbinic authorities whether they could accept them. He says they could, while requesting that same-sex couples “not be demonstrative” at school events, he says. A girl with gender-identity questions recently graduated and has since transitioned to living as male, said Segal. He adds that she had told him, before graduating, that as long as the school did not have a GLBTQ club she wouldn’t feel totally accepted, but notes that she did address her struggle at a school poetry reading, and has since written him a letter thanking the school for its attitude.

“We’re not dealing with 25- or 30-year olds. We’re dealing with fragile adolescents going through regular adolescent life. There’s a constant tension there,” says Segal.

“Liberal Orthodox schools are concerned that if they open up this conversation then parents will think they’re not Orthodox enough for their kids,” Eshel’s Kabakov says, adding, “There is still a lot of homophobia on the ground among teachers. Even just to say the word ‘gay’ instead of ‘homosexual’ is a big deal. It’s not that they don’t want to make the school a safe place, it’s that they’re concerned about how they’re perceived.”

But attitudes toward gay and lesbian Jews are changing in some corners of the modern Orthodox world, as in America in general. “There are different responses today than there were. Orthodoxy has always mirrored what goes on in regular society. People are way more used to hearing about GLBTQ things. Gay marriage is legal in 18 states. It’s out there. In the modern "Orthodox" world homophobia is not as tolerated,” says Kabakov.  unless she want's to literally define homophobia as the irrational fear of homosexuality, we have a problem that she can even make such a statement

Keshet’s Klein also sees incremental change. “Over the years we have had many requests for individualized consultation with Orthodox educators, occasionally rabbis. These have not been public conversations, all-faculty trainings or official invitations to Keshet as we have with many other schools. These have been often driven by some incident or crisis, request for support or help,” says Klein. But, she adds, “In the last couple of years we have started to see some "Orthodox" day schools be willing to connect with Keshet and seek support more openly.”

As a junior at Ramaz, two years ago, Altzman asked administrators if he could start a club about GLBTQ issues. Knowing that past students had sought to start a Gay-Straight Alliance and been turned down, he framed it differently. “The administration was hesitant at first but after a lot of talks decided to approve the club,” which is called the Sexuality, Identity & Society Club. “There was a lot of talk about how to strike a balance that would support students but not ‘condone’ a lifestyle that the school could not condone,” he says.

Paul Shaviv, head of school at Ramaz High School, which has 430 students, told Haaretz, “The school has many constituencies to respect and we felt, and the students at the time and our staff all felt that that was a more appropriate and less confrontational title. I have never been in favor of sex or identity-based groupings in school. I wouldn’t have a heterosexual pride day and I don’t think I would have a homosexual pride day. I don’t think either of them are appropriate.”  notice his language is stronger on the former rather than the later,

Altzman says he has come to understand that the way homosexuality is framed in Orthodox schools needs to be changed. “Part of the problem is Orthodoxy in general, this narrative responding to one or two verses in Leviticus and navigating a lifestyle, which is becoming increasingly unproductive in terms of creating a meaningful way for GLBTQ people to be included,” he says. “I didn’t want to lead a crusade for or against a certain lifestyle. I came out in high school because I was hoping that my friends and teachers would be supportive. I was just interested in existing and being an average high-school student.” 

His parents soon realized they needed to move. The father of one of Altzman’s friends said to their synagogue’s teen minyan that gay people being out of the closet “is an abuse of free speech,” Altzman recalls. “There were a lot of homophobic comments made in his and our presence before he came out,” says his mother, Elana Altzman, a pediatrician. “That’s just the way things are in that community.” After a guest at a mutual friend’s Shavuot meal said that homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed at kosher hotels, Elana and her husband decided to move to a new community, for the sake not only of Amram, but his three younger brothers as well. They now live in Linden, New Jersey.

If Orthodox high schools do not adopt a more embracing attitude towards gay students and families, there will be another, perhaps unanticipated cost, Elana says. “Rejection in the school undermines their religious commitment. Why should they remain "observant" and committed when people of authority are using that religion to push them away? so we should ignore the Torah's clear Prohibition?What’s at stake isn’t just 5 to 10 percent of the population that happens to be gay,” she said. “It’s their siblings. Add two siblings for each gay student and you’re up to 15 percent of our Jewish kids. Why would we want to lose them? By having schools and synagogues and camps that are supportive, where gay kids feel safe, where they can count on some support, in the long run will help ensure their "religious" commitment.” 

Though the way GLBTQ issues are addressed in Orthodox high schools is changing very slowly, there have been some significant recent shifts. Just “five or six years ago even modern Orthodox high schools were part of the problem. Homophobic things were tolerated and instituted from the schools themselves. That still goes on to a lesser extent, but now the question is safe space, not necessarily of harm,” says Mordechai Levovitz, a social worker and coexecutive director of JQY, or Jewish Queer Youth, which works with Orthodox teens in the New York area.

“Then modern Orthodox high schools were sending their kids to a conversion therapy program. The school psychologist would try to change them from being gay to straight. Their methods included having the kid repeating the verse in the Bible over and over again for 45 minutes. Looking at pictures of AIDS victims and colorectal cancer victims and say ‘this is what comes of homosexual sex.’ Kids were being traumatized if that is "traumatizing" what do you think hell looks like . We haven’t heard that lately. Now the complaints kids have is that they don’t hear anybody from the administration using the word ‘gay’, and worry about what would happen if they come out. "Orthodox" high schools are starting to think proactively about it,” says Levovitz. “We’re heading in the "right" direction.”
(haaretz) highlights my additions

Sunday, June 15, 2014

American Embassy In Tel Aviv Promotes Homosexuality

From the US's Israeli Embassy's Facebook page







The U.S. Embassy broke new ground and raised a few eyebrows by flying the rainbow-colored gay pride flag below the Stars and Stripes in a show of support for the city’s week long Gay Pride week, not to mention a rare example of "tolerance" in the wider Middle East.

“Proudly flying the colors!" read a dual-language post on the Facebook page of U.S. Ambassador Dan Shapiro’s office. "For the first time in history, the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv has raised the Pride flag together with our American flag. We are proud to join with the municipality of Tel Aviv-Yafo and its residents in celebrating LGBT [Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transsexual] Pride Week.”

The Tel Aviv embassy gesture to the local gay community is not the first of its kind though. Last month, according to Spanish media reports, the gay pride flag flew over U.S. Ambassador James Costos’ official residence in Madrid, and last September, the flag was unfurled by Ambassador Theodore Sedgwick at the U.S. Embassy in Bratislava, in Slovakia.

Reaction from outside of the gay community to the sight of the American flag being accompanied by the rainbow banner was mixed.

“I see that it is OK to put up a gay pride flag over an embassy but not ok for military members to espouse their religious beliefs in God," read a post on the Embassy's page, attributed to Grant Hix Jones. "I am ashamed to see those flags side by side.”

“How is this "gay pride flag" representative of all Americans?" wrote a poster named James Brown. "This flag needs to come down.”

While most people posting messages on the embassy Facebook page expressed various shades of disapproval, on the other side of the debate there were those in favor of hoisting the gay flag, with “Way to go!” and “Proud” being among the posted comments.

An embassy official told FoxNews.com all the responses were appreciated.

“We are glad to see our Facebook page utilized as a forum for free speech,” the official said.

Shapiro announced late last month that the flag would fly above the building, noting "the United States’ strong support for the LGBT community at home and abroad."

Corey Bardash, co-chairman of Republicans Abroad-Israel, said embassies in neighboring countries would be displeased by such a display. showing that Republicans can be just as bad as democrats

“Regardless of one’s religious or political sensitivities this is the only country in the Middle East where America would feel its embassy wouldn’t come under attack by doing such a thing”, Bardash told FoxNews.com. “I remember when, not so long ago, [former Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmedinejad said there are no gay people in Iran!”

“This is part of society here, despite the fact we have a large, traditional, religious minority,” Bardash continued. “It shows that there is a little island in the Middle East that shares the same democratic values as America. It’s shocking that there are some LGBT overseas that are against Israel, something completely against their own interests when there are death sentences in [Muslim] countries around the region against their own gay communities, including close by here with the Palestinians.”

(Fox News)highlights my additions
Gay Flag Over The US Embassy

If this is what the US Embassy is going to do, even the most die hard Religious Zionist should be thankful that the embassy is NOT in Yerushalem

Friday, June 13, 2014

British Columbia Votes To Reject Law School Due To University's Stance On Morality


VANCOUVER - Lawyers in British Columbia have rejected a Christian university's plans to open a law school — a result that, while not binding, represents a strong rebuke of the school's policies forbidding sex outside heterosexual marriage.

The vote is the latest setback for Trinity Western University, a school with about 4,000 students in B.C.'s Fraser Valley, and is sure to amplify an ongoing debate over the rights of a private institution to impose its religious views about homosexuality on students.

The university, which plans to open a law school in the fall of 2016, requires students to sign a so-called community covenant. The document includes a passage that forbids sex outside of marriage, defined as between a man and a woman, and students can be disciplined for violating it.

The Federation of Law Societies of Canada and the Law Society of B.C.'s benchers have already voted to accept graduates of Trinity Western, which has also been accredited by the province's Advanced Education Ministry.

But more than a thousand B.C. lawyers signed a petition asking that the issue be put to the B.C. society's general membership, which happened at various locations throughout the province on Tuesday.

Lawyers voted 3,210 to 968 in favor of a motion calling on the society's benchers to reject the school.

The vote doesn't have any immediate effect, but the results will likely put considerable pressure on the law society's benchers to reconsider their earlier decision.

If the benchers don't substantially implement the results of the vote within a year, lawyers can submit another petition that could trigger a binding referendum.

University president Bob Kuhn described the results as "highly disturbing" and said the vote was driven by emotion rather than the law.

"It's effectively a rejection of freedom of religion in the context of equality rights," Kuhn said in an interview shortly after the results were announced.

"I think the decision is one of the majority and it's failing to protect the minority. ... It was simply: same-sex relationships trump religious freedom every time."

Trinity Western has also faced resistance elsewhere.

The Law Society of Upper Canada's board of directors voted not to accredit graduates from the school, while the council of Nova Scotia's law society voted not to accredit graduates unless the school either exempts law students from its covenant or removes the offending passage from the document.

The school has launched legal challenges of the decisions in Ontario and Nova Scotia.

If the B.C. law society's benchers implement Tuesday's vote, a similar challenge is almost certain to be filed in the province, though Kuhn said it was too early to speculate about whether that would happen. In addition, Toronto lawyer Clayton Ruby has filed a lawsuit in B.C. objecting to the provincial government's decision to accredit the school.

The issue could very well end up at the Supreme Court of Canada, which has previously ruled in the school's favour on the very same issue.

In 2001, the court overturned a decision by B.C.'s teachers' college to reject the school's teaching program.

The university's president said the high court's ruling remains the law, while opponents argued much has changed since the 2001 judgment, which occurred before a string of court cases that led to the legalization of same-sex "marriage".

Lawyers who spoke against the school on Tuesday frequently invoked historic struggles for the rights of black people, women and other groups, while also noting that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people still face discrimination today.

"I support religious freedom: you have every right to believe notice liberal are only in favor of religious freedom of thought, not actions, that I am a sinner," barbara findlay, a self-described "lesbian lawyer" who spells her name in lowercase letters, told her colleagues.

"But when your discriminatory beliefs turn into actions that "discriminate" against me, then that's where you've crossed the line." 
1. how exactly could a government possible ever persecute someone for there beliefs, if not based on actions (including speech) due to those said beliefs?
2. as far as I can tell this school would allow a celibate person who identifies as gay in the school, just like it would allow a celibate non married person into the school.  let's say the school also mandated married people to remain celibate would she also claim discrimination despite her being identical in all aspects to every single other student?

Lawyer Vicente Asuncion said students who disagree with the university's community covenant can simply attend law school somewhere else.

"Law students have a choice to go to different universities, just like elementary and high school students have a choice go to public school or private school," Asuncion told the meeting.

"In effect, (a vote against the school) will be saying that all lawyers in B.C. must believe in same sex "marriage"."
(Huffington Post)

Wednesday, June 11, 2014

If You Want To Understand How The Gay Movement Understand Your Religious Rights

Yesterday I had a correspondence with a gay advocate who responded to the very important story about "sensitivity training" classes

If you want (and you are mechuyuv to do so) to understand who the average gay advocate looks at the world at your religious right to practice religion you need to read this. 

highlighted portions are part of the original correspondence


Christopher Li-Reid
Yesterday 9:29 AM
It has nothing to do with acceptance of homosexuality and everything to do with its against the law to refuse service to people on superficial grounds when you're running a business ... 
 
Robert Adler
Yesterday 3:52 PM
Don't give me any garbage

My religion forbids baking a cake for a same sex "wedding"

The first amendment protects me from the government forcing me to violate my religion.

There is essentially no difference between gays forcing someone to violate Judaism by baking a cake for a same sex "wedding" or Soviets forcing someone to violate Judaism by working on Sabbath.

If "sensitivity training classes don't work are you going to send us to gulags to just like your ideological ancestors?
 
 
 
Christopher Li-Reid
Yesterday 4:03 PM
+Robert Adler no it doesn't forbid you .. Lol where exactly does it say you're forbidden???  this is one of the ways liberals can still be in favor of the first amendment while forcing people to violate their religion because liberals (many of who are atheistic) think they are the true arbitrators of what your religion says and doesn't say.

No the first amendment means the government can't force you to be a particular religion... Nor can you be discriminated against for following a religion.

Gays don't force Jewish people to bake a cake... And nor would a Jewish person care - money talks.

You sure love to make up stupid scenarios because apparently you don't understand how the laws work lol.

Sensitivity training is also given to business owners who discriminate against blacks and other minorities. Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time.

Oh and over 500,000 gays were put into nazi concentration camps where over 150,000 were killed in brutal experiments... So making jokes about gays and gastapo ...so yeah smarten the fuck up.

 
 
 
Robert Adler
Yesterday 5:15 PM 
"no it doesn't forbid you"
Yes it does
where did you get your semicha (rabbinical ordination) that you can pasken (adjudicate Jewish law) .

Don't you think it's very presumptuous for a non Jew who probably never opened a book about Judaism (much less learn jewish law in the original language) to think they know more about Jewish law than people who study it many hours a day!

"where exactly does it say you're forbidden???"
lo sichlel shem kadshi

"No the first amendment means the government can't force you to be a particular religion"
forcing me to bake that wedding cake is the same thing as forcing me to go to church.

"Nor can you be discriminated against for following a religion."
but my religion forbids me to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "marriage".
if I can't be discriminated against for following my religion, then this must also be true, I can legally open  a store and refuse to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding"
But if the I can't legally open a store and refuse to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding", then I am being discriminated against for following Judaism and you are no better then every other anti-Semite who persecuted Jews for that last 3000+ years

"Gays don't force Jewish people to bake a cake..."
So if a Kosher Bakery refused to bake a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding" you will defend the kosher baker?

 "And nor would a Jewish person care - money talks."
are you saying
Jewish person = money talks
SOUNDS VERY ANTISEMITIC TO ME
we have values and we have in the past given our lives for them.

"Sensitivity training is also given to business owners who discriminate against blacks and other minorities. Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time."
how about court mandated sensitivity training  sessions to gay terrorists who insist that people violate their religions.

"Oh and over 500,000 gays were put into nazi concentration camps where over 150,000 were killed in brutal experiments..."
first of all many of those gays were former Nazis, many of the leaders in the Nazi rise to power were openly gay
you do know about the SA (Brownshirts) it was the precursor to the SS (the main perpetrators of the holocaust).
ever hear of Ernst Röhm (gay head of the SA)
how about Edmund Heines (gay deputy of the SA)

do you want to discuss gay Nazis raping Jewish male inmates

PS your numbers are way inflated

 "So making jokes about gays and gastapo"
I never mentions the gestapo or Nazis I mentioned the Soviets but now that you mentioned it I felt obligated to correct the record
 
Christopher Li-Reid
+Robert Adler you still have not shown me where it says you're forbidden notice how he ignored the fact that I answered him....   BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

best friend is jewish - and we've been friends since we were kids. remind anyone of the I'm not a racist my best friend is black line   i've had plenty of experience with them - and nothing forbids them from doing business with gay people. 

thats just horseshit you made up.

your religion also says to kill people who work on sundays (or saturdays if you're a jew)  i highly doubt your religious freedom allows you to kill people anymore than it allows you to refuse service to people under superficial terms.

and yes sexuality is a superficial.

there are no kosher bakeries - who will refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple...   and if they did they would be facing the same repercussions. meaning that gay terrorist would purposely go to a store to force them to violate the Torah or shut down

you do understand what repercussions are right?

lmao gay terrorists... spoken by a religious terrorist.   hahaha takes one to know one i guess.

LMAO  they were former nazi hahahahahahahahahahahaha

omg you're just making shit up at this point.

hahaha im just going to report this whole thread as hate speech ... how to silence your opponents call their speech hate speech without dealing with the substance of the points

because google most certainly doesn't validate your religious freedoms because that only applies to government. and use force to silence opponents

oops.  hahahahaha

see ya retard. 
 
 
 
Yesterday 5:21 PM
Robert Adler
Yesterday 6:00 PM
 
"you still have not shown me where it says you're forbidden....   BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING. "
lo sechalel shem kadshi is one source of it being forbidden.
you want more reasons why it's forbidden learn the beginning of mesechtas avodah zarah

"best friend is jewish - and we've been friends since we were kids.   i've had plenty of experience with them - and nothing forbids them from doing business with gay people. "
normally nothing forbids me from doing business with gay people but when the item in question is going to be used in a same sex "wedding" it is forbidden.


"your religion also says to kill people who work on sundays (or saturdays if you're a jew) i highly doubt your religious freedom allows you to kill people"
my religion says that a Jewish court (of 23) which has not existed for 1,984 years should kill a jew (only a jew) who worked on Shabbos. my point being that the American legal system has no reason to fear Jews killing anyone

"anymore than it allows you to refuse service to people under superficial terms"
what superficial terms?
I'm refusing to help a same sex "Wedding" because it's forbidden according to Jewish law.

"and yes sexuality is a superficial. "
I'm not refusing anyone because of sexuality
If a gay person comes in to buy a birthday cake I would sell it.
if a gay person would come in to buy a wedding cake for a real wedding I would sell it
if a normal person would buy a wedding cake for a same sex "wedding" I would refuse it even if they would fine, arrest me, torture me, or murder me for refusing to do so.

"there are no kosher bakeries - who will refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple."
yes there are

"and if they did they would be facing the same repercussions"
and then they will show themselves to be anti Semitic pieces of trash.
There is no difference between gays forcing jews to sell the cake for a same sex "Wedding" and the Spanish Inquisition forcing jews to go to church.

"you do understand what repercussions are right?"
of course I do antisemites like you have been giving people like me repercussions since the beginning of the Jewish people.
so how exactly are you different from the Soviets who murdered Jews for following Judaism


"lmao gay terrorists... spoken by a religious terrorist.   hahaha takes one to know one i guess."
you are trying to destroy the first amendment and terrorizing people to do so, thus you are a terrorist

"LMAO  they were former nazi hahahahahahahahahahahaha"
speak english

"omg you're just making shit up at this point."
do you have any clue who Ernst Roehm was?

"hahaha im just going to report this whole thread as hate speech ..."
proving you are a gay terrorist

"because google most certainly doesn't validate your religious freedoms because that only applies to government."
what ever happened to live and let live?
 

Is There Hope??

In the most stunning upset of the midterm election season, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was crushed in the Virginia Republican primary Tuesday by little-known tea party-backed challenger Dave Brat.

Eric Cantor- Dave Brat

He called his win a "miracle," but said it also was a clear mandate.

"I'm utterly humbled and thankful," he told Fox News. "God acts through people, and God acted through the people on my behalf."

"We're just celebrating like crazy tonight, an unbelievable miracle." 

Brat said, however, that he did not feel the race was "a contest between the tea party and the Republicans," adding: "I ran on the Republican principles." 

With 100 percent of the vote counted, Brat had 55.5 percent to Cantor's 44.5 percent.

Monday, June 9, 2014

Court Order Man To Take "Sensitivity Training" Classes For Refusing To Bake A Cake For A Same Sex "Wedding"

 
If you refuse to accept homosexuality you must be "reeducated"

Christian baker bucks order for gay weddings: ‘I’m not going to make cakes’ for them


A Colorado baker with long-held Christian beliefs who was just ordered by the state’s Civil Rights Commission to abide by a judge’s order and make cakes for same-sex partners said no — that’s not going to happen.

“I’m not going to make cakes for same-sex "weddings",” said Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips, in The Blaze. “That violates my First Amendment speech … and my duty as a Christian abiding by my Savior.”

Mr. Phillips‘ cake-baking business hit national headlines months ago when he refused service to a gay couple, Dave Mullins and Charlie Craig, who wanted to wed. The two men took their discrimination accusation to the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a lawsuit on their behalf.

Judge Robert Spencer with the Colorado Office of Administrative Courts ruled that Mr. Phillips must serve the same-sex couples. On the heels of that March order, Mr. Phillips stopped taking cake orders.

He appealed his case to the state Civil Rights Commission, which just ruled in the judge’s favor.

On Fox News on Thursday, Mr. Phillips decried that ruling and said his Freedom of Religion rights were being pushed to the side. His attorney, Nicolle Martin, agreed and said the order that Mr. Phillips is supposed to now abide by not only requires him to serve same-sex couples — against his religious convictions — but also to take special "sensitivity" and anti-"discriminatory" training.

Mr. Phillips‘ elderly mother, who works at the bake shop, is supposed to take the training, also, Ms. Martin told Fox News.

Mr. Phillips is now considering an appeal.